I am so inspired to see you today. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! Romans 16: 17-20. Many are in or have been in denial. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. I have found that churches built through a single persons vision are dangerous. We are all human, myself included. But are they? He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). However, 2 of the groups meet in Panera Bread. He is angry that they keep on sending texts and emails asking for money. Your willingness to sit down over a cup of coffee in your home with women of God and get real about our hurts, our fears, our dreams, or whatever is going on in our lives. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? I love you and our Lird. I have great empathy and sensitivity toward them. Thank you for your honestly, I personally did not ask why you left, because we left approximately the same time for the same reasons. Anil. Church Online is a place for you to experience God and connect with others. Jesus taught eternal love. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! Harvest will also reimburse MacDonald another quarter-million dollars related to selling his former home and transfer compensation related to his retirement benefits. A peacemaking process, while helpful for personal and relational reconciliation, is not the approach to address failed governance, biblical disqualification, and a toxic leadership environment.. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. If they built it, it is theirs to destroy. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. Lina has every right to speak her truth . If hearing voices together of those who have truth helps, then now is the time to speak. And even then, it often doesnt work because so many remain enthralled with the narcissist, or have tied their fortunes to them, that they simply cant or wont see the truth. The kindest thing one can do is to cut out and expose the cancer to death. I am now going to read the rest of your post. Because TRANSPARENCY is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe. Yell and bully and make people feel like second class Christians? Two top Harvest Bible Chapel pastors today announced they're resigning, following a "season" of difficulty sparked by the termination and scandal involving disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. Theyre gone. Please have your Passports Ready. Thanks for finally being honest. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. and pro football. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. May the God of all comfort minister his comfort to them. I do pray that the entire senior leadership staff and elders who have participated in sheltering the truth for their own gain would be called out by the Lord. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. For me, I live with the regret of not taking advantage of the opportunity to come over and get to know you. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. 7. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. And it wasnt just some random bloggers saying these things, either. From your first speaking engagement at Harvest, I have watched your ministry(ies) and have see you be a strong fast speaking, outgoing woman, by ethnic background, yet a humble servant of Christ who feels deeply the impact of wrongfulness. His sermon provides good reasons for why we need to shine light on these abuses. The Scripture that came to me as I read this is I Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but one of power, love, and sound judgment. I have always wondered why? I feel angry that the people who were supposed to be watching over the congregation allowed this to go on. Hes my brother in Christ. Id like to think its the fear of man spoken about in the Bible but I think it often goes beyond that. Most continue to stay there, as their numbers dwindle. No wonder Harvest dropped the suit. He wants a huge army of women indwelled with the Holy Spirit to point people to Christ. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. This is not an endorsement of the culture at Harvest because its total trash, but you cant blame them for you bad theology choices. Thankful we got left when we did. When I asked questions at the Harvest I attended I was told to be careful what I read on the internet. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! Im not sure what is going on with me honestly. Why now does not matter. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Finances: Giving not Tithing. We have seen this very truth of Jesus teaching publicly demonstrated by Mancow and many other witnesses. My last complaint. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. So the Harvest Bible Chapel elders fired him, fired him from pastoring his own church, which of course was no longer his church to make decisions for, but theirs, as a wholly owned subsidiary. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. Listen, believe, obey, shut up. maybe its time for all of us to wake up. Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. Lauren Boebert And Marjorie Greene's Adult "So Your Problem with Christianity is the Jesus No, the "Second Shift" Isn't Feminism's Fault. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! Christ alone is to be worshipped. While Harvest the pastor there for years had some good preaching. Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. Or share it. There is no question in my mind that what I did see and experience increasingly at Harvest was a culture that functioned and was sustained by fear and the desire to please James at any cost. Otherwise, the church must answer the same question, for that is one of the majors that Jesus gave us. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. Addressing this following statement from you, By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman ruled by fear. Thanks for writing it. Please support my writing! Sounds like your faith in self is overwhelming only yourself! I am no one special here. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own church-planting ministry, Harvest Bible Fellowship, with 170 member churches. I am grateful for your courage. Many people went to leaders and spoke up. Even more, the trauma of having those who had taught me so much about Jesus and showed me the way to Jesus healing suddenly take the side of the person who caused me to fear for my life- its taken a long time to move forward. I agree here. You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. It was engaging at times. In keeping with our past private statements to Harvests leadership and to our pastorsThe primary issue is not reconciliation or peacemaking, it is repentance, GCC elders said in a January 17 statement. Christians! Thank you for your vulnerability. This pastor couldnt have been more wrong. Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. Though MacDonald initially opted to step away from all preaching and leadership roles at the churchs Chicago-area locations, in his January 16 sabbatical announcement he suggested he might still preach at a Harvest congregation in Naples, Florida, which led to another saga. Truth heals. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. In one fellowship people were actually warned to have nothing to do with us, and yet all we had done, in each instance was to ask questions. Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. The word of God and the flock were only mentioned at the end of the long list. I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. It was both true in a sense and funny. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. I hope it doesnt chase people away from their spiritual questaway from God., I take no joy in this announcement, said Muller. needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. For years, they had been made to feel like the outcasts, but finally vindication in its godly form was working its way out. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. I have a Patreon! The flock are the casualties in all of this. Hence the Response Statement Regarding Pastor James and Anne Green yesterday on HBC in the news. (Proverbs 16:18). I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. The assistant pastor just tried to deflect and justify the pastors actions. Gods timing is always perfect. What I have realized is the weakness and defeatism of so-called Christians who immediately abandon their Church when trouble comes its way. Too many of these large churches have lost track of what their true purpose is. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. I was a woman ruled by fear. Welcome to the Video Broadcast ministry of Cornerstone Bible Church. Another blind believer. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? Superior to whom? Do you not remember that God used His Chosen to reveal the sin of not only churches, in the New Testament, but also to Kings in Old Testament. This is why NOW. Why kick him and the church while their down Lina? We are taught in Gods Word that it is Christs love that ought to control us. Congratulations on your freedom, Lina! Not just Harvest Bible Chapel. Throughout the week, there are opportunities for you to grow in your walk with Christ, to serve, and to connect with other people in the Rolling Meadows area. My current church I actually joined, unlike Harvest, and have been there five years and counting now. Show how we come together as one in the body of Christ! The next day, Helmer resigned, citing MacDonalds pattern of uncontrolled anger. The pastor later admitted being too intense in the classroom that day. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. If you read the history and understand the public record of offenses at Harvest (with many more than the requisite two or three witnesses), you will understand why this is not only completely justified, but actually necessary to the restoration of healing and good order to Christs Body. He stopped going to any church and says he has lost faith in everything. I will not blame those who suffer spiritual starvation for wolves like the James McDonalds, Joel Olsteens or Creflo Dollars (to name but a few), however designer churches and their false teachers are the direct results of people who refuse to be obedient and submissive to Gods will. When is God pleased at his church? Really? Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take "immediate action" on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. I feared offending people. Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. I pray that moving forward, His love will control me no matter the consequences. When someone lies with such ease , that is pathological, and they must be removed from their positions!! We are currently experiencing similar tragedy at HBC-Naples. Harvest Bible Chapel of Naples, whose leadership recently turned over after scandal rocked its Chicago parent megachurch, is the most . And your part of the problem. He also makes vulgar comments about Wheaton College executive director of the Billy Graham Center Ed Stetzer and repeatedly degrades Julie Roys, the reporter who wrote the World Magazine story. My mom, who doesnt attend HBC, says that the church is going to die because James was the bread and butter. How long before we wake up and show the world how Christians are not only different from the world but we are not of the world! This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. Ezekiel 22:27: Her princes [leaders] within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. Lina, I know that you did not take writing this lightly, and that it was preceded by much prayer and asking for the Holy Spirits wisdom and guidance in order to strike a balance of truth and grace. Its very important that people share their stories. It seems that was true at Harvest, just as it is at many local churches. This team is to be made up of congregants, staff, professionals, and elders, and will be headed by a church member. This did not happen to James, he did this, by sinning repeatedly. Such lack of accountability is often a problem at megachurches, which tend to be founded by charismatic individuals who quickly amass a large following. Dont bad rap other churches? You must not feel sorry for James. And the truth of many at Harvest. My coworker who was Catholic and going through a painful divorce, was led to Christ by me. Sheesh. I am sorry for the pain. Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. Becomes the organization instead of the groups meet in Panera Bread we taught. Transparency is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe haughty Spirit before fall! 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